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Mylioebius by thomastapir Mylioebius by thomastapir
A sequel of sorts to the Moebius Fish ([link]). Nothing really conceptually groundbreaking here, I just wanted to apply that idea of reversible body surface orientation to a manta ray analog. Aesthetics were more of a consideration than anatomical functionality in this case, so I wouldn't waste a lot of time puzzling over its movement cycle. That's what the original Moebius Fish was for. :nod:

A few variants on the theme here ([link]), as well as the initial pencil sketch for this guy.
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Myrethy Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
It looks like a swimming masquerade mask... cool!
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2015
Hah, thanks!  : D
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bensen-daniel Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2009
Did you say you had an animation of the way this thing swims? If so, you should be able to see which surfaces will press against the water most effectively, and broaden them to make "fins" I doubt they would be as bilaterally symmetrical as the design you have here.

This design is very pretty, though. It's just not weird enough! :)
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2009
~whale sent me links to a few animations of paper toys that had a Moebius-Fish-like reversible orientation to them, but unfortunately this is the only one (link) that still works:
[link]
This is a little more "radial" than what I had in mind, so maybe closer to what you're talking about.

(Yes, the one with "Banana Phone" is the only one that still works. OF COURSE.)
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bensen-daniel Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2009
Banana phone!

I see that's not quite the motion you're going for. But, I could see something like that thing evolving as a mud-burrower.
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2009
You know, I just have to consider this one an unsuccessful design...I even tried going back and modifying the original drawing after I'd posted this version, and it *still* didn't come together. I kind of "cheated" (?) in the original [link] by giving the creature a compartmentalized organ for food intake--this design lacks not only that, but also a plausible locmotory pattern that can be implied from its body form. But he does deliver a Paddletad to evil-doers everwhere! :)
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Sphenacodon Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2009
Hm, I get your point. But, come on, it has to exist by sheer Rule of Cool!

It could be a four-dimensional animal (or higher), and this constantly-shifting shape is all we see of its form in our dimension. Kinda like the Palainians in the Lensman series.
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2009
Whooa, I like that idea. A LOT. It dovetails nicely with that theme of "Lovecraftian wildlife" I had going on over the summer. It also opens up possibilities for hyperspatial beings only partially visible in our space as multiple disconnected units, ala Flatland/Sphereland.
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Sphenacodon Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2009
:iconisayplz: I say, I like where this thread is going. Yog-Sothoth sounds a lot like one of these things too: lots of spheres would be the expected 3D cross-sections of something 4D (or higher) poking into our world (for comparison, us sticking our fingers into a 2D world would result in a lot of floating circles). Carl Sagan discusses this at length.

I already mentioned the Palainians. How about the Orz - cosmic horrors that appear as cute parrotfish? [link]
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2009
Yeah, exactly...I'm way ahead of you on this hypergeometry thing: Rudy Rucker does any excellent job of explaining (and illustrating) the appearance of higher-dimensional cross-sections in lower-D space, in The Fourth Dimension ([link]).

The Orz were really cool! I love the idea that they are merely the phalanges of a higher-dimensional organism...Hee.

This whole discussion reminds me of one of my all-time favorite books, The Planiverse by A.K. Dewdney ([link]). imho it's one of the most imaginative "spec bio" treatises ever written, but with the additional factor of imagining how complex biology, artifacts, culture, etc. would work in a 2D universe! "Highly recommended." - Tapir Reviews
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Sphenacodon Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2009
Stop giving more books to have to buy, dammit! I'm having a tough enough time tracking down references already! :)

Those books look seriously interesting.

But returning to Mylioebius... why would a four-dimensional animal (and supposedly a non-sentient one) want to have part of itself in 3D space? Does it feed here? Does it live part of its life cycle here?
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2009
Perhaps its ancestors had some trans-dimensional ability they exploited to escape predators, and they then learned to take advantage of available resources in lower-dimensional space...?

[link]
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Sphenacodon Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2009
Sounds like a valid enough reason. Hopefully they don't turn to lording it over lesser 3D creatures.

I said stop it!!!1!
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Sphenacodon Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2009
Even though it's based off aesthetics more than functionality, I'm still trying to get some sense of how it would live. I'm assuming the twisty structure top-left is its plankton-gathering apparatus, and the holes in its body somehow streamline it or reduce drag. Its larval form must be a thing of beauty.

And Dsil is right. It'd make a rockin' mask. "Criminals are a cowardly, superstitious lot. I must be a creature of the night, black, terrible, a... a Mylioebius!"
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2009
Gah, see response below!
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Sphenacodon Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2009
:icongahplz:
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2009
It's gah extended into ultraviolet!
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DSil Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2009  Student General Artist
That would make a cool mask.
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2009
That seems to be the consensus! :)
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commander-salamander Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Very beautiful!
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2009
Thanks very much! I was a little disenchanted with this one a day or two later, but eh, you win some you lose some I guess. I was feeling pretty washed out when I was working on this.

I feel like I kind of need to raise the bar on my art somehow, but I'm not sure where to go from here...Maybe play with more interesting perspectives or poses on my creatures, or deal with more complex compositions--two or more animals interacting, or more complete environments. --It's not really the content or the ideas that are bugging me, but more the execution. Oh well, I'll keep working on it.
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commander-salamander Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Interesting poses are good.

If you are finding it hard be comforted with the fact that you are probably learning.
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AceMaxim Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2009
make that into a space ship and You've got yourself a candidate to be its captain
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2009
SWEET...I'll let you know when I'm past the prototyping phase.
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AceMaxim Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2009
awesome! space exploration and domination, here I come!
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whalewithlegs Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2009
So, wait .. am I operating under a misconcsption? Which end is the 'head', the pelvis or the moebius? About the 'eyeholes' on the pelvic mask ... do those join up to the main body underneath, or do they join to each other?
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2009
I pictured the Moebius as being the anterior end...I don't think that's as clear here as it was in the original Moebius Fish, and that face-like "pelvic mask" only serves to confuse matters. But yeah, upper-left is "front."

My thinking was that the flanges surrounding the "eye socket" -like fenestrations connect to their respective sides of the body, rather than connecting to each other...I tried it that way (having them intersect), as that would be more consistent with the original Moebius Fish design, but it ended up looking too...I'm not sure what the right word is--flowery? Ribbony? Decorative? Baroque...? Imagine them connecting in a sort of chevron shape in the middle and I think you'll see what I mean.

As I say, this one is more aesthetics than mechanics. It's just not as fully realized in terms of the underlying physical geometry, especially as that translates into motion. I've kind of decided that this wouldn't be a true relative of the Moebius Fish, but rather a creature from another world with a superficially convergent body design.
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whalewithlegs Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2009
Well, I must say that I approve :) I think the moebius makes a very nice head!!

Heh heh, chevron .. i do kinda get it. ... maybe a moebius fish mimic?
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Doodlebotbop Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
So this is from below looking up?
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2009
Yeah, like always... :|
I need to figure out some more creative views for marine creatures!
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Doodlebotbop Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Uhhh, well you are given a 360 choice being in water. But out in mid-ocean there's not a lot of different scenery.
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2009
Yeah...And those backlit views looking up towards the surface provide the most drama and contrast. Plus they allow the most comprehensive "portrait" view of the subject's anatomy, if you assume the animal is moving parallel with the surface of the water, or close to it.
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Doodlebotbop Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
True that. *nod nod*
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Magoot17 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2009
haha damn it chimpeetah! that was JUST what i was going to say! haha funny that we were both thinking the same thing too, ya seriously they look like "manta masks" or something :)
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2009
You know, that's one of my major problems with this particular design--those "eyeholes" in that mask-like form create a "facial" identification overall, which I think confuses things and detracts from the impression of an alien body form. --That's not to give you a hard time about mentioning it, of course!--I'm actually glad people brought this to my attention, as it's something to watch out for in the future. :)
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Chimpeetah Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2009
Beautiful animal, it almost looks like a mask to me, mabye you should nickname them "Mask Fish" or "Masquerades" ;)
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2009
"Masquerays"! =P
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Chimpeetah Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2009
OMG ! Even better XD
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zypherax Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
wow, verry nice!I like the twisted areas.
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2009
Thanks, man!
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zypherax Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
you are welcome! sorry I haven't been commenting on your work so often latley, I've been fairly busy...
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thomastapir Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2009
Hey no problem, I've been busy myself. Never any obligation to comment etc., btw, so don't feel pressured.
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zypherax Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2009  Professional Traditional Artist
haha, I feel no pressure, I just like to offer my feedback.
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